says:

What's this new Flickr plan when your planing to share user infomation? I not like the idea of that.
This may include your account registration information (such as your user ID, gender, name, email address, postcode & age) your content and advertising interests, content associated with your account. cookie and device IDs, IP addresses, geolocation information and activity information from across our websites, apps, software and other services. All of the information that we collect about you may be shared across the various Oath brands and within our Verizon family of companies.
Posted at 7:17AM, 17 August 2017 PDT ( permalink )
shadowshador edited this topic 25 months ago.

says:

shadowshador:
As you show in the copied text, this is an Oath / Verizon thing and I suspect any meaningful answer will come from them, not the users of Flickr and speculation.
Posted 25 months ago. ( permalink )

says:

I tried to create a new Flickr account and the registration process would not accept any of the 6 phone numbers I put in. What's up with that? The reply is 'we don't support that number; try another'. Support? Sounds like I need a Verizon Mobile number, or no account. Bad Panda.
Posted 25 months ago. ( permalink )

says:

I would think it unlikely that having a Verizon Mobile number would be a requirement for opening an account. Many of Flickr's users myself for example reside in far flung corners of the universe that are not serviced by Verizon.
Posted 25 months ago. ( permalink )

says:

InnAtElmwood:

6 phone numbers

says:

shadowshador:
I think Flickr is breaking the law? asking for all that?
Posted 25 months ago. ( permalink )

says:

Posted 25 months ago. ( permalink )

says:

txmx 2: Should add the warning: if you delete your Yahoo account, you will not be able to log into your Flickr account. It will be orphaned and you will lose access to your photos, likely forever. So plan for that too.
Posted 25 months ago. ( permalink )

says:

of course, no yahoo account = no flickr. I hope this is clear to everyone here.
Posted 25 months ago. ( permalink )
txmx 2 edited this topic 25 months ago.

says:

Shiny moniree in sl 5:
I think Flickr is breaking the law? asking for all that?
It's NOT Flickr that's asking for all this extra info, it's Yahoo.
And yes, if you don't want to share your info, or don't use your Yahoo email address as your default one and you cancel your account, you won't be able to get on to Flickr.
Posted 25 months ago. ( permalink )

says:

shadowshador:
I guess you are talking about this.
A: We would like to inform you in advance that, as of 18 September 2017, Yahoo and Oath plan to share some user information within the Verizon family of companies which will enable us to integrate our business, allowing us to coordinate more and improve your experiences.
policies.yahoo.com/ie/en/yahoo/privacy/euoathnoticefaq/
Posted 25 months ago. ( permalink )

says:

txmx 2:

no yahoo, no flickr. I think this is clear to everyone here.

says:

I live in Spain. I don't have a Verizon phone number (and will not).
And didn't know about Oath or Verizon companies till now.. but I didn't allow at anytime to these enterprises (nor Yahoo! to share) to have my user info.
So.. if this will be like this in the next months, I will delete my Flickr account (and therefore, cancel my Pro Account).
Just think about this, Yahoo!... if a lot of Flickr users do this, like me, you'll lose a lot of money.
Posted 25 months ago. ( permalink )

says:

Ⓑⓔⓐ:

I don't have a Verizon phone number (and will not)

says:

MabelAmber️®***Pluto5339***Incognito:

You need to remove that silly irresponsible meme from your post

says:

Ⓑⓔⓐ: Verizon purchased Yahoo this year, it's a done deal. These terms are no different than any media provider, they just sound scary out of context. But the truth is we give away this and more privacy every time we download an app to our phones (and don't read the user agreement before we click 'PLAY!')
So it's not up to Yahoo anymore, they don't exist, or won't soon. 'Oath' is the new company that Verizon is forming to hold all of Yahoo's old assets, including Flickr. And yes, I think they assume a certain amount of attrition with new company and new terms.
Posted 25 months ago. ( permalink )

says:

Alan FEO2:

As you show in the copied text, this is an Oath / Verizon thing and I suspect any meaningful answer will come from them, not the users of Flickr and speculation.

says:

photo_snaiper:

Edit: I see now that you noticed that thing while I was still typing.

says:

All sounds like a load of b*ll**ks so nothing new there!
Posted 25 months ago. ( permalink )

says:

mcnod:

cosmic

says:

I was shocked reading this and I´m afraid,nothing will be like before.I´m German and not so so good in spoken and writing in English.
So sorry,because I loved to be on flickr since 2008.
Posted 25 months ago. ( permalink )

says:

auguste96:

nothing will be like before

says:

You are so right,2013 was the 'beginning' of this what now is happened.
Posted 25 months ago. ( permalink )

says:

Alan FEO2:

Cosmic or comic ? lol

says:

mcnod:
I try to lean toward the second option these days :-)
Posted 25 months ago. ( permalink )

says:

All the bad new things are here on this link.
Yahoo is now part of Oath
Posted 25 months ago. ( permalink )

says:

Oath has fifty brands that people love, apparently. Pass the sick bucket, and quick!
Including flickr :
Empowering photo pros
Discover an inspiring global community with 20 billion photos, 2.2 million groups and advanced tools to upload, organize and share photos.
Photos uploaded: 13B+
So is it 20 billion or 13B+?
Posted 25 months ago. ( permalink )
Pianowerk edited this topic 25 months ago.

says:

Well, in a trivial sense 20 billion is greater than 13 billion so both numbers are accurate.
Posted 25 months ago. ( permalink )

says:

MabelAmber️®***Pluto5339***Incognito:
Yup, the dark days of 2013 when we woke up to a totally different Flickr Look .
Went to bed and it was the familiar site I was used to for years.
Signed on the next morning !!! What the heck is wrong ?
So, I feel for y'all. I'm in here once in a while ..
Have found a home elsewhere (that we are fighting to keep aloft) by the members instead of Corporate.
Either we make it or we don't -- but at least we gave it a shot !
Peggy C
Posted 25 months ago. ( permalink )

says:

The Searcher:
But the truth is we give away this and more privacy every time we download an app to our phones (and don't read the user agreement before we click 'PLAY!')
So true!
Posted 25 months ago. ( permalink )

says:

The Searcher:
That's why I only download the Apps I really NEED. ;)
Posted 25 months ago. ( permalink )

says:

UK Data protection laws.
www.gov.uk/data-protection/the-data-protection-act
Posted 25 months ago. ( permalink )

says:

In their explanation ( policies.yahoo.com/ie/en/yahoo/privacy/euoathnoticefaq/) they say that Oath has 50 brands with whom they are going to 'share' user information such as 'content associated to your account' (amongst quite a lengthy list of other stuff). I wonder if that includes my credit Card details. Maybe I am paranoid, but the idea of 50 companies most of which I do not even know obtaining access to my credit card seems to be a bit scary. But maybe they would not do this - or would they?
Posted 25 months ago. ( permalink )

says:

shadowshador:

UK Data protection laws.

says:

abstractartangel77:
UK Data protection laws.
But would that apply to Oath as they're a US company and not UK-based?
It will depend on what the laws are in the US and if they also have data protection laws as far as I see it.
Posted 25 months ago. ( permalink )

says:

Zee Jenkins:
6 phone numbers?
Nothing weird about it.
It is just like having different clothes for different occasions.
One for business, Second for family and friends, Third and fourth serving as bank tokens. And so on..
Posted 25 months ago. ( permalink )

says:

txmx 2:
Exactly, blackmail ;)
Posted 25 months ago. ( permalink )

says:

abstractartangel77:
spuddie7:
Well as UK Data protection laws say, data cannot be transferred outside the European Economic Area without adequate protection. Oath and Flickr are in the US and by taken data which is not in the US is breaking the law?
It also says the data can't be kept for no longer than is absolutely necessary.
Posted 25 months ago. ( permalink )

says:

shadowshador:
Last time I checked, Verizon/Yahoo/Oath/Flickr are US companies.Why are the EU citizens not creating an alternative to Flickr, where the EU rules can apply 100%.I enjoy Flickr and yes some shortfalls are inherent to such an undertaking.
Posted 25 months ago. ( permalink )

says:

Ipernity is EU based if that is what you are thinking about.
Posted 25 months ago. ( permalink )

says:

Zee Jenkins:
but again, what does that really mean: 'we don't support that number' ?
Posted 25 months ago. ( permalink )

says:

Marta Wojtkowska:
exactly; his #, her #, cell #, landline #, etc. - all not 'supported'
Posted 25 months ago. ( permalink )

says:

maeluk:

Ipernity is EU based if that is what you are thinking about.

says:

Go to the very bottom of this page. Notice the pink/red dot just to the left of 'Terms'. Click the dot or click Terms to read an update to our terms of service, dated May 12, 2017.
Posted at 10:58AM, 13 May 2017 PDT ( permalink )

says:

Hmm . . . you may have to do this while signed out.
Posted 28 months ago. ( permalink )

says:

Logged out it still takes me to Yahoo (and still asks me to install Firefox?!)
Maybe testing phase for only some?
Posted 28 months ago. ( permalink )

says:

Must be rolling it out gradually to all servers. Anything interesting in the new terms of service?
Posted 28 months ago. ( permalink )

says:

The Searcher:
Are you seeing the pink dot? I see it on a signed-in browser and on a signed-out browser, but each browser is taking me to a different page. Signed out, I am redirected.
Posted 28 months ago. ( permalink )

says:

I noticed the pink dot a few days ago, but didn't click it before now. I still see Yahoo's TOS, though.
Posted 28 months ago. ( permalink )

says:

policies.yahoo.com/us/en/yahoo/terms/utos/index.htm
Quote (top of page):
' Yahoo Terms of Service
Terms of Service Update
May 12, 2017
If you haven’t heard, Yahoo plans to sell its operating business to Verizon. We anticipate the close to occur in June 2017. At the close, the Yahoo operating business will join the Verizon family of companies, and Yahoo Holdings, Inc. will be offering the Yahoo services you love and enjoy.
In connection with this proposed transaction, Yahoo is updating its terms of service to reflect the Yahoo Holdings, Inc. name and to add the following sentence to Section 28: “Yahoo may freely assign the TOS and all of the policies and other documents incorporated or referenced in it (including all rights, licenses, and obligations under it or them), in whole or in part and without notice.”
These updated terms are effective immediately for any new user registrations. For existing users, they will automatically be effective on June 8, 2017, unless you cancel your Yahoo account(s) before then.
That’s it! We look forward to continuing to deliver your favorite products and services. '
Posted 28 months ago. ( permalink )

says:

~andre:

Anything interesting in the new terms of service?

says:

Awesome. I can't wait for new Verizon Photo Editor. ;)
Posted 28 months ago. ( permalink )

says:

so what will happen to Flickr in the short - medium term. I have 6400 photos on here and I dont want them to suddenly disappear! Any ideas?
Posted 28 months ago. ( permalink )

says:

The Pixelsmith:
The best thing is to assume your content could be wiped overnight. Assume that for any online/cloud service over which you have no direct control. That way you wan't get a nasty surprise one day.
Posted 28 months ago. ( permalink )

says:

The Pixelsmith:

so what will happen to Flickr in the short - medium term.

I have 6400 photos on here and I dont want them to suddenly disappear!

says:

i do have back ups but i would still be sorry to see them go - ah well - thanks guys
Posted 28 months ago. ( permalink )

says:

This is a very small dot. I wouldn't have noticed!! Didn't feel like reading this stuff!
Posted 28 months ago. ( permalink )

says:

The Pixelsmith:
I cannot be that pessimistic, I have some 4700 photos and I cannot think of any program that would accept all or where I would like to move. Most of my photos are either in the laptop or back up, but of course descriptions and comments etc. would be lost. And that is only my main account, I have two others.
So if they would disappear over night, it would just be: It's been fun while it lasted.
Posted 28 months ago. ( permalink )

says:

ernstkers:

Of course you have several backups, so you will not loose them. It would be rather stupid to have your valuable photos only on one location stored.

says:

i agree FlyButtafly - that would be a sad loss as well as the acquaintances made along the way with whom you only touch base with in Flickr! Personally, I will be surprised if it just comes to an abrupt end - millions of customers creates the potential for a fabulous client base - I suspect reformatting/ads/re-engineered membership fees maybe more likely ..
Posted 28 months ago. ( permalink )

says:

FlyButtafly:

Unfortunately, there is still no way to back up the metadata on the photo page though (comments, tags added by others or by yourself later, etc.)

says:

GAWD I hope Verizon doesn't F things up for us! Yes, I have backups of backups..but I'm sure like many of you, it's taken YEARS for me to add to my Flickr depository..I've paid the PRO dues for years in order to have nearly unlimited storage space & control over it (private for MOST of it, just as cloud storage). It wouldn't *ruin* me..but it would be a huge pain in the ass & a LOT of time wasted if they just wiped it all or instituted a whole bunch of changes or new rules or new FEES, etc..
Posted 28 months ago. ( permalink )

says:

mcnod:

Looks like standard legalize to me.

Flickr, will be provided by a new Verizon-owned company called Yahoo Holdings, Inc.

offered by Yahoo! Inc.’s U.S.-based Flickr service (“Yahoo”).

says:

loupiote (Old Skool) pro:

there are ways, but it requires using the Flickr API.

says:

~andre:
I have been using Bulkr Pro to make periodic backups of my entire Flickr photostream and metadata for each photo. Backed up images have their Flickr metadata stored in the EXIF tags, as well as a separate text file for each image. It's not perfect, and the text files are not awesome, but you could probably write a parser for them. There are other utilities for sure, but this one has been convenient for me.
Posted 28 months ago. ( permalink )

says:

Bulkr is very useful, and I count on it for my texts and tags. But it is true that you do not get comments, let alone sets and collections, all of which it would be a real shame to lose if Flickr disappears someday. I agree with Andre that a backup tool which also created a local 'front-end' on your hard drive, mimicking these features, would be incredibly useful. I would pay real money for that.. though I admit I can't say how many others would!
Posted 28 months ago. ( permalink )

says:

Why are defunct products like Doublr ($500!!!) and Flickr gift certificates still mentioned in the TOS?
Posted 28 months ago. ( permalink )

says:

My concern is in regards to maintaining control/ownership/all rights to my images & captions. The TOS I skimmed through gives the impression what I upload to Yahoo becomes their property.
Posted 28 months ago. ( permalink )

says:

Here's my question..about the assumption that seems to be a foregone conclusion in many of the above postings. I've been watching since the sale of 'MOST' of Yahoo's services to Verizon. People have frequently asked, and I've been waiting to read, whether Flickr was part of what Verizon bought, or whether it was excluded.
To date I've never seen a single posting, article or anything else which answered that question.
If someone here has seen something in writing that states Flickr was included (or excluded) in the purchase to Verizon, could a link be provided. Since it never was a part of any of the things specifically mentioned in the purchase, I've always figured that Verizon wanted no part of it, since there didn't seem any way to monetize Flickr.
Anyone KNOW of accurate information?
Posted 28 months ago. ( permalink )

says:

Vidterry:

If someone here has seen something in writing that states Flickr was included

says:

Thank you for pointing that out. Only ads to my concern where this is going, and certainly takes the desire to continue posting and dumps it in the recycle bin folder.
Posted 28 months ago. ( permalink )

says:

Vidterry:

Anyone KNOW of accurate information?

says:

Any data you can save will be worth something to future generations, long as they can find a way to read it, things change quickly, the digital world is not permanent you can’t put it on a shelf and expect to pick it out at random at 50, let alone 500 years, and be able to read it.
There is the WayBack Machine..
web.archive.org/web/20160906073335/https://www.flickr.com..
Posted 28 months ago. ( permalink )

says:

I was at flickr until they changed design/layout overnight without any question asked or notification,for me that was a sign to go somewhere else.
I went to Ipernity,small french site similar to old flickr and now after couple of years of joy they deicided to close the site cause it wasnt solvent,we had minimal ads and a lot of free accounts.(just too much)
People gather,start communicating and after few weeks member association was born(IMA),they started talking with owners about possible takeover by association,and things started to happen.
First there was a crowdfunding,we collected almost 30.000 dollars in just 3 weeks,and first papers were signed,we are still in the process and nothing is over until official statement arrive and new board start to work.
We are witnessing strange things in photo sharing sites,they are closing one after another,probably only instagram is safe cause all those whores.
IMO flickr will also close,its a matter of time so be prepared.
Posted 28 months ago. ( permalink )

says:

Maybe the service will be better, I am surprised it took so long as Yahoo is/was a poorly managed company. Hopefully nothing gets deleted and things continue as is but over time we may see real improvements, not ones that just disrupt things for the users.
Whatever happens, don't sweat the small things in life and hopefully EXPLORE will finally die as it is a meaningless thing. Remember there are other places to post pictures if things get to bad.
Posted 28 months ago. ( permalink )

says:

archer10 (Dennis) 96M Views:

it is a meaningless thing

says:

mcnod:
All really meaningless but a way to kill time and share, enjoy everything thing you can when you can.
378 in explore and 96M views are what get your work seen and used by others - the biggest pleasure I get is when my pictures are used and enjoyed by other people.
Posted 28 months ago. ( permalink )
archer10 (Dennis) edited this topic 28 months ago.

says:

Flickr for me is far more than a photo depository. It is where I have met dear friends, learned invaluable lessons, have been inspired. I can't bear the thought of losing all the comments, losing the groups I participate in or administer, and losing the scores of galleries I've curated.
Posted 28 months ago. ( permalink )

says:

archer10 (Dennis) 96M Views:
Well, I am confused. You state in your earlier post today that something is meaningless:
archer10 (Dennis) 96M Views:

Whatever happens, don't sweat the small things in life and hopefully EXPLORE will finally die as it is a meaningless thing.

says:

Vidterry:
THIS IS WHAT I GOT IN MY MAIL BOX
Flickr®
Hi Bettyb6366 aka Bettyboop1948!
Flickr has sent you a message on Flickr.
Subject: Terms of Service Update
Date: May 22nd, 2017
If you haven’t heard, Yahoo plans to sell its operating business, including Flickr, to Verizon Communications Inc. We anticipate the completion of the transaction to occur in June 2017. Upon the completion of this proposed transaction, Yahoo products and services, including Flickr, will be provided by a new Verizon-owned company called Yahoo Holdings, Inc.
In connection with this proposed transaction, Yahoo is updating its Terms of Service. You can review the changes by visiting our Terms of Service
These updated terms will automatically be effective on June 8, 2017, unless you cancel your Yahoo account before then.
That’s it! We look forward to continuing to deliver your favorite products and services.
Posted 28 months ago. ( permalink )

says:

For me, clarification is needed in Terms of Service No 9.
I quote:-
'Yahoo does not claim ownership of Content you submit or make available for inclusion on the Yahoo Services. However, with respect to Content you submit or make available for inclusion on publicly accessible areas of the Yahoo Services, you grant Yahoo the following worldwide, royalty-free and non-exclusive license(s), as applicable:'
It's the part after this which isn't clear to me..whether you're giving them rights to use your images for 'anything' or just for promotion of Flickr ?
Posted 28 months ago. ( permalink )

says:

mcnod:
I am trying to explain that I have been in Explore numerous times but it is meaningless as it is no indication of quality of work but a random selection.
Posted 28 months ago. ( permalink )

says:

calderdalefoto:
I was wondering about clarification on this same issue. It seems to mean for promotion of where it was posted, but I would like it clarified.
Posted 28 months ago. ( permalink )

says:

It's Pronounced Awesome:

My concern is in regards to maintaining control/ownership/all rights to my images & captions. The TOS I skimmed through gives the impression what I upload to Yahoo becomes their property.

says:

A question about the new terms of service. They claim pretty extensive rights over uploaded material. I get it that it's written in legalese and is mostly designed to secure technical operations of Flickr, but it seems more invasive than it was before. What exactly changed?
I mostly upload non-commercial fan photos of Star Wars franchise. I do not own the IP of said images, it belongs to Disney (like all things Star Wars), I only own the art I make. How could I grant redistribution etc. rights over something I do not own? Am I violating Disney's IP when uploading to, or staying in, Flickr after June 8?
Please, let me know in simple and plain words, how this works?
Posted 28 months ago. ( permalink )

says:

Doctor Casino:

That said, I suspect it's been in the TOS for ages without my noticing..?

says:

I roughly have around four hundred photos on Flickr. How can I download them from Flickr and upload them to one of my external hard drives?
Yes, I do have them backed up on various external hard drives but everything is scattered depending on the year I uploaded them to Flickr. So I would like to download my photos as posted on Flickr according to date.
I'm looking for a simple technique as I am not technically smart.
Posted 28 months ago. ( permalink )
laughable fly edited this topic 28 months ago.

says:

Carol___C:
You could try Bulkr:
www.flickr.com/services/apps/72157622874451890/
Posted 28 months ago. ( permalink )

says:

MabelAmber***Pluto5339***As yet incognito..:
Thank you!
Posted 28 months ago. ( permalink )

says:

And now I've read the Flickr message about TOS changes.
It would always be wonderful -- but is so seldom done -- if when such a thing is posted, there is also a plain, clearly worded explanation of THE CHANGES. The legalese is beyond the ability of anyone to thoroughly understand, and all of the millions of members will just accept this TOS on faith, lacking any alternative other than leaving.
I don't THINK there is any problem in so far as 'use' of our photos is concerned. It hasn't been a problem with Yahoo running things. For my part, I cannot imagine why Verizon even wants this website..unless very major monetizing changes are coming. And I have no FAITH in the good will of Verizon, having been a customer of theirs for very many years now. Still, until something BAD happens, like most everyone else, I'll assume that things will move along as they have been.
Just always on the alert for the BIG BLOW which may come fairly soon.
Posted 28 months ago. ( permalink )

says:

Vidterry:
Agree; the headline reads 'here are the changes', but they aren't highlighted in any way.
Thanks to some of the above very diligent readers for finding the one or two wording changes.
Posted 28 months ago. ( permalink )

says:

Someday you might wake up to no more internet.
just keeping it real.
Posted 28 months ago. ( permalink )

says:

I have been using Bulkr for a few years to backup my flickr photos to my computer. Then I back up those files to google photo. It works well.
Posted 28 months ago. ( permalink )

says:

mcnod:
Do you have a problem using Flickr??
Had to. I get seldom chances to actually say this with a smile.
=o)~
Posted 28 months ago. ( permalink )

says:

I also talk in Speech backwards.
Posted 28 months ago. ( permalink )

says:

Pacdog:

Do you have a problem using Flickr??

says:

Terms for pro users include this unfriendly little nugget:
'If your credit card is invalid for any reason, your account will revert to a free Flickr account and will be subject to the limitations of a free Flickr account; provided, however, that Yahoo reserves the right to cancel your account entirely in such case, whereupon all the information and content contained within it will be deleted permanently. Yahoo accepts no liability for data that is deleted due to an invalid credit card.'
Better make sure Verizon has current credit card info!
Posted 28 months ago. ( permalink )

says:

C@mera M@n:
I rather hope that, in real life, Verizon, like other organisations would make reasonable provision for people to renew expired credit cards.
Posted 28 months ago. ( permalink )

says:

C@mera M@n:

Terms for pro users include this unfriendly little nugget:
'If your credit card is invalid for any reason, your account will revert to a free Flickr account and will be subject to the limitations of a free Flickr account; provided, however, that Yahoo reserves the right to cancel your account entirely in such case, whereupon all the information and content contained within it will be deleted permanently. Yahoo accepts no liability for data that is deleted due to an invalid credit card.'

says:

I sure hope that passage is a slip of the pen (or added in drunkenness) - just as silly as including information about the Doublr accounts which were silently dropped less than a year after they were introduced, as well as the mention of the Gfit of Flickr, abandoned May 2013.
edited for style and grammar
Posted 28 months ago. ( permalink )
MabelAmber️®***Pluto5339*** incognito edited this topic 28 months ago.

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says:

No, I'd bet that passage is Very real. What company wants to maintain however many thousands of 1k gig storage 24 hours a day?
A big company such as Verizon will look for any reason to trim things down. I know from working experience in other fields. The big dogs just want to save money to add those savings to their profit share.
Posted 28 months ago. ( permalink )

says:

MabelAmber***Pluto5339***As yet incognito..:

edited for style and grammar

says:

Zee Jenkins:

So much style and grammar. :)

says:

My concern is, Verizon has a spotty record with its iOS applications. I've been a Verizon customer for a very long time, and try to avoid their apps whenever I can (which is 99% of the time).
I don't know if the transition from Yahoo to Verizon is going to be better or worse for us, the consumers of Flickr (the product), but I can't imagine it's going to get much better.
Did Flickr start to die because Yahoo failed to innovate? Or did Flickr die because Yahoo tried to innovate, and failed, upsetting the user base and causing a lot of folks to bail? I don't know.
But I do know that when Facebook bought Instagram, Instagram turned into garbage, and it's been getting worse every quarter. I guess I could go through a list of the things that bother me, and my friends, about the new Instagram, but it's painfully obvious if you've ever used Instagram prior to Facebook, that Facebook has been ripping off its competitors to try and make Instagram 'more competitive' by bolting on features - a la Frankenstein's monster - and turning it into a heaping pile of 'innovation.'
All I know is, the iOS Flickr app is 100% unusable for me. It literally doesn't work. I have a brand-new iPhone 7 Plus, I've reinstalled the app numerous times, because I'm stupid that way, and I'm hopeful. The Flickr balls spin, and spin, and spin. I guess I could wait for 30 seconds or more, but more than a few seconds on 60 Mb/s WiFi seems a little non-responsive.
I don't see Verizon doing much to improve the app, and using Flickr in the Safari mobile browser isn't fun either.
I've been a paying Pro member for a long time. This last year, I paid the grandfathered discounted rate, and a friend of mine did not. It ended up being two to three times as much for her. I guess at this point, I keep paying for the Pro because I'm hopeful that I'll get something in the transition: perhaps a grandfathered rate that I get to keep as long as I keep paying?
And I'm also hopeful that Verizon will try to make Flickr a good place to store and share photos again. I liked the community. It was active and vibrant. Heck, it may still be active and vibrant, but I can't access it, because Yahoo has hobbled my mobile access.
Thoughts?
Posted 28 months ago. ( permalink )

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Flickr is just left out. Did you guys try to contact Flickr customer service? This thing is non existing. Add this to the fact that you cannot download big albums (as the zip goes corrupted) and you get the feeling that all rats left the boat. Flickr is lost for me and I'm currently migrating my photos to another service.
Posted 28 months ago. ( permalink )

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Amarand Agasi:

Thoughts?

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C@mera M@n:

Terms for pro users include this unfriendly little nugget:

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I still like flickr but it has become unfinished in places like auto tags and it messes about on the tablet. It doesn't know if its a desktop version or an unfinished tablet version. And its bit in the face with stuff that i don't want to look at like recommended stuff.
I turn flickr off now a lot more than I used too. I'm hoping that Verizon are far more customer friendly than Yahoo. And I really hope they can put fun back into flickr again.
Posted 28 months ago. ( permalink )
Scarlet Pimpernel edited this topic 28 months ago.

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Vidterry:
It says it in the email they sent out:
If you haven’t heard, Yahoo plans to sell its operating business, including Flickr, to Verizon Communications Inc
Posted 28 months ago. ( permalink )

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i received this email this morning (see below).
how will flickr be affected by this?
will everything remain the same?
is there anything i need to do to keep my account active?
this seems to start 8 june..that is soon.
lots of info there but still not sure what will happen.
i have a yahoo log in.
do i assume that will remain ok after 8 june?
what to do??
If you haven’t heard, Yahoo plans to sell its operating business, including Flickr, to Verizon Communications Inc. We anticipate the completion of the transaction to occur in June 2017. Upon the completion of this proposed transaction, Yahoo products and services, including Flickr, will be provided by a new Verizon-owned company called Yahoo Holdings, Inc.
In connection with this proposed transaction, Yahoo is updating its Terms of Service. You can review the changes by visiting our Terms of Service
These updated terms will automatically be effective on June 8, 2017, unless you cancel your Yahoo account before then.
lots of info there but still not sure what will happen.
i have a yahoo log in.
do i assume that will remain ok after 8 june?
Posted 28 months ago. ( permalink )

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jenniferbeinhacker.com:
I would just continue to use your account normally until you hear otherwise. No need to manufacture any worry at this point. All we know is that we don't know what will happen.
Posted 28 months ago. ( permalink )

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jenniferbeinhacker.com:

i have a yahoo log in.
do i assume that will remain ok after 8 june?

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ernstkers:

Of course you have several backups, so you will not loose them. It would be rather stupid to have your valuable photos only on o

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I hear that a re branding will take place under the name of 'Oath':
www.newsfactor.com/story.xhtml?story_id=0120013PNB1O
Posted 28 months ago. ( permalink )

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I hope they don't turn it into another Instagram (for example, in Instagram T&Cs, they can sell your images via their API)
Posted 28 months ago. ( permalink )

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justingreen19:

they can sell your images via their API

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mcnod:
Don't go overboard, all I said was 'I hope..'
Posted 28 months ago. ( permalink )

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mcnod:

It is obvious that flickr/yahoo are doing something to their current loggin procedures

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Vidterry:

To date I've never seen a single posting, article or anything else which answered that question.

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Of course I had to click on oath and found myself back in the place where I'd started. Good to see so many familiar staff icons, Matthew. Is it safe to congratulate you for continuing under new management?
We live in uncertain times, but I'm glad you have a job, for this moment ;) Often tough to do, I've found.
Posted 28 months ago. ( permalink )

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Oops
Posted 28 months ago. ( permalink )

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The Pixelsmith:
You will still have Flicker, all their saying is that there new terms you have to agree with if you want to keep flicker. Just basic legal terms.
Posted 28 months ago. ( permalink )

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is there going to be a 'place' where we have to sign agreement..before the 8 june start?
Posted 28 months ago. ( permalink )

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The Telecom biz is getting cutthroat and there are some who believe that Verizon is going to gear it's newly acquired properties toward data mining.
www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-switch/wp/2017/04/20/why-..
Posted 28 months ago. ( permalink )

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Amarand Agasi:
VZ Navigator is one of the best Navigation apps I have ever used. I have been with Verizon forever and have a Grandfathered account of Unlimited Mobile hotspot data. Not many of Us left with that feature. I'm using my phone for all my net including my home computer as I type.
Posted 28 months ago. ( permalink )

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East Texan the original:
Makes you think if non-US subscriptions will fall out of favor, so to speak.
Posted 28 months ago. ( permalink )

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~andre:
It might work out that way unless the US aligns with Europe on some of the privacy and copyright issues.Verizon has hit a peak and clearly the recent acquisitions are to be made into cash cows if possible. .Verizon and AT&T have done very little in the way of innovation in the last 4 years except increase the cost of and the number of hidden fees.The consumer and the markets react accordingly. .Investment in some of the smaller more innovative Telecom corporations have been far more profitable in the last 4 yrs.
Posted 28 months ago. ( permalink )

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East Texan the original:
Well, I don't know Verizon and I haven't decided what to do yet, but if a similar cell service giant in Canada bought Flickr, like Rogers, I would be actively looking for a way to get my images out. These ginormous corporations hire just about anybody and produce bottom-of-the-barrel software that is only used because there is often no alternative. I will keep any eye on the Flickr team list and if that list starts to change too much, regardless of which way, it will be the first sign for me that things are taking the turn to the worse.
Posted 28 months ago. ( permalink )

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Matthew Almon Roth:
'Someone snitched' ??
{Edit: Reposted with a proper blockquote}
Posted 28 months ago. ( permalink )

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Matthew Almon Roth:

will be part of the new Oath company

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personne.de.chandigarh:
Why is your post in quotes? Are you referring to someone saying that? If you are talking about Flickr being a part of Oath, its icon is on the Outh website that was linked in that post.
Posted 28 months ago. ( permalink )

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~andre:

Why is your post in quotes? Are you referring to someone saying that?

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MabelAmber***Pluto5339***As yet incognito..:
I see. Thanks for the reference.
Posted 28 months ago. ( permalink )

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~andre:

Why is your post in quotes?

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Here's hoping Verizon understands and values Flickr. But in case not, I do want to share that I did try Bulkr to 'back up' my images, and it works great. I already have all my original images backed up, but I like the organization that all my Flickr albums provide me. (Even over the way I have set up Lightroom.). I have always liked the visual organization I have with Flickr. When I can't find one of my old images I want, I can almost always find it by visually searching quickly through the relevant Flickr album. For free Bulkr let's you back up your whole photo stream (perhaps with a limit to the no. of images?), small size and 72 ppi resolution. Also, it lets you back up your first 15 albums, each image in the album, backed up to a folder in your external hard drive (or computer), with each folder given the name of the matching album. I have found that if I then put 15 new albums at the top, inOrganizer, Bulkr will then let me back those up. So, in this way I am able to back up my many albums. Now I will have all my images in folders on my external hard drive, organized by album just like Flickr. I will be able visually to search these, just as I have searched my Flickr albums.
If you pay $39, Bulkr will back up all images, and will do so at the original resolution. It also will somehow save the entire text in your description, and the exif data. I think though that it cannot save the text of comments. I did not do this, as I didn't want the text embedded with the pictures. Maybe that isn't even how the text is saved. I simply don't know enough about this part, and simply having low res. pics, without my description was enough for me. Just in case. So, if anyone is wondering how to back up images, give Bulkr a try. It's easy to use.
I would also like to find a way easily to save my descriptions and some comments. But this part all seems too daunting. Instead i have my fingers crossed that Verizon will continue with Flickr and make it even better.
Posted 28 months ago. ( permalink )

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Louise Lindsay:

Also, it lets you back up your first 15 albums

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i have over 16000, here's hoping it continues
Posted 28 months ago. ( permalink )

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maybe this was already asked and answered and if so..sorry to asking again.
in terms of service paragraph 5 it says
'You will receive a password and account designation upon completing the Yahoo Service's registration process. You are responsible for maintaining the confidentiality of the password and account and are fully responsible for all activities that occur under your password or account. You agree to (a) immediately notify Yahoo of any unauthorized use of your password or account or any other breach of security, and (b) ensure that you exit from your account at the end of each session. Yahoo cannot and will not be liable for any loss or damage arising from your failure to comply with this Section 5.'
am i suppose to do something to comply so my flickr account will continue after the change over to verizon????
i already have a pro account and password.
do i assume when the 'change' comes my flickr will still be as it is today, 5 june.
what confuses me is my current flickr is yahoo. how does it become verizon?
thank you in advance for any relies.
Posted 28 months ago. ( permalink )

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Regarding renewing your pro account- My credit card tied to my pro account expired and I forgot to update it with my new card.
Late May was my renew date. Three days ago I got an email from Flickr saying I needed to update my flickr wallet b/c after numerous attempts at renewing my pro account with the card on file they have concluded it's hopeless with that card.
I had until the end of June to get it fixed, or my Pro account would revert to a 'Free' account and be subject to those limitations.
Hoping that Verison makes Flickr better, and I like the space as a back up for my images, and I grandfathered in with the old price I renewed by updating my credit card info.
So you won't get down graded to a free account immediately. They did try for two weeks to renew me with the old card, and sent me an email with plenty of time to get my flickr wallet updated.
Posted 27 months ago. ( permalink )

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~andre:
'To participate in the Flickr Services, you must have a valid Yahoo ID. You must provide Yahoo your credit card number, billing information and other information (“Registration Data”), which will be stored'
The above is from the section that regards pro accounts as I understand it..When we had the two pro accounts we used a third party payer who took care of online business for most of the US.If that is not available or if a prepaid card is not acceptable I don't see a pro account for me in the future as the idea of Flickr having my credit card number on file is contrary to every common sense business practice I have been taught.
Posted 27 months ago. ( permalink )

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East Texan the original:
I dealt with dozens of payment gateways in the past and it's rare nowadays that merchants (i.e. Flickr) would actually store credit card numbers. Most recurring payments require a credit card to start a recurring payment sequence with a 3rd-party payment provider, but then this sequence ID is used to transfer money from the card holder's account via the payment provider. The card in this case is stored in the payment provider's vault and not on merchant's servers.
This doesn't mean that Flickr cannot store credit card numbers - they absolutely can, provided that card data is encrypted, but it costs more and more every year to do that because a company that does this must pass a PA DSS (Payment Application Data Security Standard) certification audit, which is not cheap and quite rigorous, so many companies choose to go with the former approach.
It would be reassuring to many users if Flickr would say if they use the former method and that they don't store credit card numbers on their servers, but even if they won't, they kept my credit card on file for years and it's still fine. I also have a precaution in the form of a special Internet credit card I use, which has the tiniest limit, so if somebody steals this card number from any service I use it for, they won't get much from it until I cancel the card.
Posted 27 months ago. ( permalink )

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~andre:
i usually use a third party or a prepaid card for net purchases. Some auction houses have accounts that are insured as for some items they demand a certain amount deposited. I too think a little more clarity is needed.
Posted 27 months ago. ( permalink )

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Dup
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